Recently attended a debate on the existence of Satan. Two of the panelists were Mark Driscoll (of Mars Hill Church in Seattle) and Deepak Chopra (famed new-age guru). I have many thoughts about the debate, but I wanted to write down this one small reflection fairly quickly since it’s both simple and essential to the heart of my disagreement with Chopra and much of what passes for “spirituality” in our age.
Several times in the course of the debate, Chopra described “god” as “transcendent and ineffable”. With the first adjective, I have no problems; assuming we are talking about the same God and using the same (western) meaning of “transcendent”, the statement stands in agreement with the heart of Evangelicalism, Puritanism, Lutheranism, Roman Catholicism, Augustine, and the church fathers. My complaint is with the second adjective.
“God is ineffable” is a popular saying in present-day “spiritual” circles. The compact OED gives us only two (only two, a paltry sum indeed!) meanings for ineffable: “too great or extreme to be expressed in words”, and “too sacred to be uttered”. Let’s consider each of these in turn.
If God is completely and truly ineffable in the first sense, then — catch this, it’s subtle — even calling Him “ineffable” is a contradiction, because it expresses something about Him in words. Similarly, if we call Him ineffable in the second sense, we have similarly contradicted ourselves, because — again, this is subtle — we have attached a word to the sacredly unutterable Identity and uttered it, thereby demonstrating that we think it is not ineffable after all.
Now, these critiques only apply if we treat “ineffable” as a first-class property of Divinity. It is quite a different matter to speak, as Christians often do, of the ineffable ages of God’s eternity, the ineffable depths of His love or compassion, or His ineffable power and mercy. With this we are saying something substantial, that God actually and truly possesses particular attributes and abilities and traits, but that He possesses them in measures which defy expression. There is no contradiction (with the first definition, anyway) in calling God ineffably Holy. It is only the “ineffable god” of vague spirituality which is, literally, nothing but nonsense.
Why is this important? For starters, the reason the “ineffable deity” meme is so popular today is that its own meaninglessness and nonsensicality invites its adherents to embrace equally irrational ideas about everything else. You are free to judge and condemn those who argue for an objective standard of justice. You are free to speak of rehabilitating that which you call irredeemably evil. You can champion education as the cure for wickedness even as you rail against any attempts to include efforts at moral formation in public education. You can adopt nonsensical spatial metaphors (“beyond” right and wrong, “beyond” liberal and conservative) to evade uncomfortable questions about the glaring inconsistencies in your own thinking or the dastardly ethical implications of your vacuous worldview.
If God is ineffable, then categories like “God’s justice” or “God’s will” or even “God’s existence” are likewise nonsensical. The mind consumed with the ineffable delusion reflexively dismisses such notions without regard for their merit. Consumed with vanity at having grasped the ungraspable, of having effed the ineffable, they exalt their own understanding and become futile in their own thinking, which (if we are willing to think Biblically) are the immediate forerunners to folly, idolatry, and judgement. “God is ineffable” is a cop-out, a word game played by those lacking the humility to allow that God might speak and that His words might mean something.



Beautiful, subtle point. I can tell you did your homework. Thanks for taking the time to write. And I envy you were actually at the debate. Take care.
Comment by Demian Farnworth — March 25, 2009 @ 6:45 am |
That would have been an excellent discussion to listen to… is it available online anywhere?
As always, love your thoughts
Comment by Travis Jarrett — March 25, 2009 @ 7:25 am |
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You can access the edited version (in which the “ineffable” comments do not appear, but Chopra does say that you can’t define God without putting Him in a box which is more or less the same thing) here:
http://abcnews.go.com/NIGHTLINE
More complete debate footage here: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/FaceOff/
It also occurred to me that at one point early in the debate Chopra quipped that “my god is not a sexist”, which is a very strange thing to say when your god is ineffable (“not a sexist” is, after all, a concept expressible in words).
Comment by adamdbradley — March 27, 2009 @ 4:07 pm |
Great comment, Adam…FWIW, here’s my analysis:
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Comment by Rich Bordner — March 30, 2009 @ 1:47 pm |
Excellent thoughts, my man! Points out the veracity of Paul’s related, Inspired words in His epistle to the Roman church (1:18-23):
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.”
Comment by Carlos — March 30, 2009 @ 5:50 pm |
Ineffable is not used in any objective sense (naturally). It’s spoken in Oprahese. As in sublime, or mind blowing. I agree with Chopra on that point.
But beyond that (oh noes!)… both are wrong. Adam I think gets it. But I’ll explain why I think both are wrong. There is the tendency to give unto the vacuum that which is uncomfortable and to produce golden calves of our binkies.
We like to make abstract things which we want to waffle on. We like to make concrete things we want to judge others by. Both are guilty of one or both of these deceptions.
Comment by Intelitary Milligence — March 31, 2009 @ 3:15 pm |
I think that there is a certain amount of mystery to God, and that the application of the word inefable is simply a stumbling way of trying to describe the abstract. I also believe that God will always remain abstract until he chooses to reveal His whole self to us. Even Paul (in the example shown above) points to the fact that we know only a portion.
“For what can be known about God” is stating the fact that what we can know about God; or even the little we know about God. Which is not the same as knowing all about God. It’s a limiting statement.
The Jews refused to name him or assume to know all of him. They knew there is a wall of separation – a lack of knowledge that they could not obtain by study, but that could only be revealed by Him. There is nothing new here.
Comment by m3talsmith — April 5, 2009 @ 7:21 pm |
AS m3talsmith says, there is nothing new here. Look at the Orthodox Christian hesychastic tradition. Unfortunately, many Western Christian traditions have become so literal-minded that they have stopped the habit of recognizing that God cannot be encapsulated in our concepts or words.
Comment by Verena — May 21, 2009 @ 6:54 pm |